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Array ( 3 months ago by TH495)
@RozSatyros
λες οτι νά ναι . και επειδή οι Έλληνες αυτοκράτορες ήταν λίγοι , τί μ'αυτό ; Απ τη στιγμή που η γλώσσα , η νοοτροπία και η κουλτούρα ήταν ελληνικές τότε μπορεί κανείς να
χαρακτηρίσει το κράτος ελληνικό-ρωμαΪκό. Σημ : Ο Παλαιολόγος τι ήταν ;; Η μακεδονική δυναστεία ;;; Η μήπως ξεχνάς ότι τότε οι έλληνες δεν ήταν περιορισμένοι μόνο στον
ελλαδικό χώρο ;;;
@AegeanKing True, ... ( 2 months ago by sainters7)
@AegeanKing True, but I think what he means is, its being looked at in this case from a Eurocentric point of view. Just because our Western, Judeo Christian culture views something as more "civilized" doesn't make it so. Just from our perspective it is.
@sainters7 As ... ( 2 months ago by AegeanKing)
@sainters7 As Einstein said, its all relative...
It's incredibly ... ( 2 months ago by Germanicus00)
It's incredibly depressing to see a wonderful Church like Haiga Sophia turned into a aesthetically repugnant mosque. A bit ironic Islam claims to be a historically peaceful religion when the conversion of the Middle East occurred under the point of a sword and the threat of rapine pillage by invading Arab tribes. I vote Christians should be able to deface and convert the Dome of the Rock into a Cathedral. Would only be just. Or is that mean-spirited and racist? No, it's just the truth.
its robobcop ( 2 months ago by HerMajestysFinest)
its robobcop
"Thank goodness for ... ( 1 month ago by NaiNosnibor)
"Thank goodness for a strong woman." I gotta get me one of those.
Array ( 1 month ago by VigisKane)
@RozSatyros
YES THEY WERE ARE YOU STUPID OR DO YOU IGNORE HISTORICAL FACT ALL THE TIME
@Germanicus00 Hagia ... ( 1 month ago by ortcutt)
@Germanicus00 Hagia Sophia was secularized and turned into a museum in 1935 by Ataturk. Its use as a church or a mosque is prohibited. No, you aren't racist, but you are ignorant and have a world-view which is more appropriate to the 16th Century than the 21st Century.
@ortcutt How is ... ( 1 month ago by Germanicus00)
@ortcutt How is recognizing something as objectively unjust and evil ignorant or archaic? The Arabs and Ottomans were notorious suppressors, massacaring local populations at whim. The Ottomans severely taxed and enslaved Greeks and Bedouins were seen as sub-human and were frequently subject to brutalization by the Ottoman regime. And let us not forget the Armenian genicide of the early 20th century which left 1.8 to 2 million Armenians in mass-graves.
@ortcutt I find ... ( 1 month ago by Germanicus00)
@ortcutt I find your justification and defense of a purely evil regime disgusting. I suggest maybe ridding yourself of that bullshit "bubble-gummy" world view and recognize historical facts instead of ignoring and manipulating facts to support your own conclusions.
@Germanicus00 ... ( 1 month ago by ortcutt)
@Germanicus00 Promoting the defacement or conversion of the Dome of the Rock is what is archaic and unjust. Past injustices do not justify committing one in the present.
@ortcutt Tell it to ... ( 4 weeks ago by NoisemakerArrow)
@ortcutt Tell it to the Israelis.
@AthenaionPolis The ... ( 3 weeks ago by PyrrhusofEpirus)
@AthenaionPolis The Byzantine Empire was Roman. The Byzantines were the direct descendents of the old Roman Empire. The multifarious cultures and groups that existed within the Byzantine Empire considered themselves and were Roman. Despite the Hellenization under the emperor Tiberius II Constantine and Basileus Heraclius, the people of the East always considered themselves Roman. Also, the Carolingian Empire of Charlemagne and the Holy Roman Empire of Otto I were not the true heirs of Rome.
Array ( 2 weeks ago by AVIATIO)
@PyrrhusofEpirus
Yes, they considered themselves 'Roman,' but in reality they were no such thing. The only thing Roman about this empire was that Romans had built it, then lost control of it long before 475 anno Domini.
It is not too far from the truth to call it Greek, even though its inhabitants did not consider it so...this never halted the Western Europeans from calling it in Latin 'Imperium Graecorum' however, or Greek Empire.
@AVIATIO The people ... ( 2 weeks ago by PyrrhusofEpirus)
@AVIATIO The people of Byzantium were the direct descendents of the old Roman Empire. The Empire was Roman in its administration and organization, in its political sovereignty and in its laws and promulgations. The term "Imperium Graecorum" was utilized by the Western Europeans as they claimed that they were the true heirs to Rome.
@AVIATIO The ... ( 2 weeks ago by PyrrhusofEpirus)
@AVIATIO The Enlightenment "philosophes" and intellectuals such as Charles-Louis de Secondat Montesquieu, Charles Lebeau, Voltaire and Edward Gibbon referred to the Byzantine Empire as a Grecian empire. This was due to the geographic location of the Empire which was at that time under the sovereignty or hegemony of the Ottoman Turks; the Byzantine Basileus or Byzantine autocrat was replaced by the Grand Seignor or the Sultan of the "Sublime Porte".
@AVIATIO The Orient ... ( 2 weeks ago by PyrrhusofEpirus)
@AVIATIO The Orient was considered despotic and primitive by the Western Europeans in which the Enlightenment thinkers [Montesquieu especially] viewed the Greeks as a fickle, superstitious, bigoted, prodigal and narrow minded people while the Romans [Represented by the West] stood for constitutional law, order, discipline, benevolent rule and reason. [See: Considerations on the Causes of the Greatness of the Romans and Their Decline]
@AVIATIO To the " ... ( 2 weeks ago by PyrrhusofEpirus)
@AVIATIO To the "philosophes", the West stood for republics and constitutional order while the decadent and corrupt East was highly autocratic and bureaucratic. This is a mere bias that the West harbors against the Byzantine Empire [The East]. The Byzantine-Roman Empire was politically and structurally Roman and its culture was an amalgamation of Roman, Grecian and Oriental influences. For example, the Roman [Byzantine] emperor was truly an autocrat with supreme power.
@AVIATIO Initially, ... ( 2 weeks ago by PyrrhusofEpirus)
@AVIATIO Initially, the Byzantine emperors were both the supreme arbiter of the state and the judge of religious affairs. [The concept of caesaropapism] This heavy despotism is the said to be from the cultural exchange with the Oriental despotisms and kingdoms [The Sassanids of Persia]. In addition, the term "Byzantine" was an Enlightenment term used to distinguish between the orderly and moderate Romans and the morally corrupt, decadent, avaricious and disordered "Byzantines".
@AVIATIO Simply put ... ( 2 weeks ago by PyrrhusofEpirus)
@AVIATIO Simply put, the Byzantine Empire was Roman.
Array ( 2 weeks ago by AVIATIO)
@PyrrhusofEpirus
And yet, there were hardly any Romans remaining for it to be called Roman. True--the Empire maintained merely several of the social/political functions of the older Roman Empire, but you're still completely missing the point. It diverged from those functions and became culturally some thing completely different. By the time of Heraclius, the emperor himself even dared to disregard Latin and adopt Greek as the official language, which it already was de facto for millenia.
Array ( 2 weeks ago by AVIATIO)
@PyrrhusofEpirus
Furthermore, during several times in the Empire's history, it's lands consisted primarily of Hellenic lands. The culture was already more orientally or Greekly inspired in the eastern Roman provinces, and this tendency only increased.
It is all but nonsense to claim that these people were 'Romans' when in fact they were no such thing. Yes, they might have called themselves Romans, but for them 'Roman' meant Orthodox Christian, nothing more nothing less.
It is important to ... ( 2 weeks ago by AVIATIO)
It is important to keep in mind that 'Roman' for the Byzantines was a deeply rooted concept of culture and state, not of ethnicity. Since IMP Caracalla decreed that all subjects of the Roman Empire should be considered Roman citizens, this sense of being 'Roman' began to increase, and became associated with the new rising religion Christianity. In effect, the people of the eastern empire forgot who they really were for millenia. Even today in modern Greece, the term 'Romaiicon' means Greek.
THE BYZANTINE OR ... ( 1 day ago by kokopsyboy)
THE BYZANTINE OR BYZANTIUM EMPIRE WAS THE CONTINUE OF THE OLD ROMAN EMPIRE BY GREEKS END OF STORY..!



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